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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 03:41:00 -
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Stormshadow. Admirable suggestion but no. Yes I can trust the company but as we all know, companies are a collection of inidividuals and any individual can go rogue. Our credit card details are protected by international law, our personal information is not covered by all countries equally.
What might be legal (**** sites as the example - lol) in my country would not be legal in say, yours. Where does the law lay? In the land of fhe server or the client?
I have always liked the suggestion of Captcha or similar client checking. A flash in your Neocom says you've got 10 minutes to respond - but only if you're ratting or mining. Punch in the code and you're good to go.
How many people would accept this to help eliminate bots?
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 05:09:00 -
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Quote:This x100000
CCP permits botting for a reason.
Any claims and so-called efforts to the contrary are to keep the greater player-base collective panties unbunched.
RMT controls most of 0.0. CCP not only knows this, they factor it into their business model.
Forgive my ignorance, can you please explain to me how you would stop such actions if you were CCP?
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 05:57:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:The Apostle wrote:Quote:This x100000
CCP permits botting for a reason.
Any claims and so-called efforts to the contrary are to keep the greater player-base collective panties unbunched.
RMT controls most of 0.0. CCP not only knows this, they factor it into their business model. Forgive my ignorance, can you please explain to me how you would stop such actions if you were CCP? Your ignorance is not my problem. This is internets forumz and no one is paying me to educate you. Imagination is the only limitation to the amount of information and statistics available to them. If you can't figure out how the one group who owns and controls the server-side coding/operation of the game might be able to identify systematic botting, there is no hope for you.... and there will most certainly be no forgiveness for your idiocy. Forgive my brutal logic. Can you please explain to me how you are so dumb?
Lolz. man, you're a card.
So I can run 3 Tengu accounts. I run each for 4 or 5 hours at a time. If a neut comes into system I safe up. I do this 7 days a week.
Am I a bot or a human?
I run 3 Hulks on 3 screens. I mine 5 hours a day and I do it 7 days straight. After 5 hours, I log my other 3 Hulks and mine the same. While all my Hulks are mining away I'm doing my work at my desk.
Am I a bot or human?
I run a Domi and I do L4's all day every day. After 5 hours, I log my other Domi char and do the same.
Am I a bot or human?
Don't bother answering. You can't tell can you? If you think patterns are a way to detect botting. Well. Cough......
Only way I have EVER seen bots identified beyond doubt is by interacting with them. Their response is the giveaway, not the botting patterns themselves.
Oh and RMT. As fast as a sting nailed an RMT'er, he's moved, shut down his accounts and started somewhere else. And apart from a breach of EULA, what law has he broken? You cannot enlist the help of the RMT ISP's/law enforcment or any such agency. So how do you stop them?
To declare that CCP could "easily" stop RMT/Botting is about.... well..... as dumb as it can get. Sorry man.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 06:31:00 -
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Quote:The fact that you cannot think of ways CCP could easily attack RMT only proves the limitation of your imagination, nothing more. Another display of the ignorance you asked forgiveness for earlier.
and wtf law enforcement? What are you on about?
You are the one telling me how easy it is. So say so instead of beating the bushes with such belligerent nonsense!
As for law enforcement, CCP cannot use law enforcement/such agencies to shut down RMT. (right, got that bit?)
So CCP has to do the job - alone. (got that bit?)
This is just one scenario.
Set up sting. Catch character X. He gets banned. But not before he accidently got "blowed up" by character Y with 200 plex in his hold. Character Y is also character X etc... Rince and repeat.
Second Scenario
The RMT transaction is setup outside of any Eve jurisiction. Easily done, can't be traced to any account (ebay, direct debit, paypal etc.) You can then rinse ISK through Eve with BPO/C scams, "buy 1 trit" scams etc. etc.... You simply cannot monitor the millions of transactions that occur everyday and deduce that transaction 432,564 is an RMT transfer.
Third Scenario
Go to System Y, Moon 9 - warp to 70. I forgot to put my shuttle away with that 1.6b ISK BPO inside it. Gosh darn.....
There ya go. Imaginitive ways to avoid RMT. Is that what you asked for?
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 10:07:00 -
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Quote:In my country the government gave rights to the police to record and store all phonecalls, mail and text messages to make it easier to counter terrorism and crime.
Lots of people were against that too but again, if it makes my legitimate life in my country safer then I'm all for it.
I used to think like this too until our country put a bloke in jail for 60 something days on suspicion of aiding and abetting terrorists when all the guy did was use a phone that once belonged to a bloke that knew a guy who had a friend that used the phone.
He was never charged and yet he was still deported, family and all.
And then proven innocent.
Deadly true.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.29 23:05:00 -
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Quote:So I can run 3 Tengu accounts. I run each for 4 or 5 hours at a time. If a neut comes into system I safe up. I do this 7 days a week.
Am I a bot or a human?
I run 3 Hulks on 3 screens. I mine 5 hours a day and I do it 7 days straight. After 5 hours, I log my other 3 Hulks and mine the same. While all my Hulks are mining away I'm doing my work at my desk.
Am I a bot or human?
I run a Domi and I do L4's all day every day. After 5 hours, I log my other Domi char and do the same.
Am I a bot or human?
Don't bother answering. You can't tell can you? If you think patterns are a way to detect botting. Well. Cough......
Only way I have EVER seen bots identified beyond doubt is by interacting with them. Their response is the giveaway, not the botting patterns themselves.
Oh and RMT. As fast as a sting nailed an RMT'er, he's moved, shut down his accounts and started somewhere else. And apart from a breach of EULA, what law has he broken? You cannot enlist the help of the RMT ISP's/law enforcment or any such agency. So how do you stop them?
To declare that CCP could "easily" stop RMT/Botting is about.... well..... as dumb as it can get. Sorry man.
Quote:Your over simplification is ridiculous. Patterns in details show bot vs human very quickly. If CCP's were detailed enough...
My point here is that ANY of these could be bots OR human players. Despite what you thing, it cannot be detected without massive amounts of stats - over time - to locate any patterns that might exist
And as posted above, which was my next point, injecting randomness to break patterning in code is soooo easy to implement it's not funny. Notwithstanding that a player can also choose to have day off here and there and log earlier on odd days to randomise it even more.
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The Apostle
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Posted - 2011.09.30 00:33:00 -
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So what your saying is it's impossible because it would require
#1-information (that is readily available to CCP)
#2- taking the time to organize and analyze that information (OMG not TIME!!!)
#3-People might not bot every day (because this is an absolute necessity to identify them amirite?)
...wait. So how does that = impossible again?
It's like your brain is actively working to sabotage your comments. Maybe you have it running in reverse or need to drink a V8?
The "information" you readily speak so much about can easily be made difficult to interpret. We're at a stage where we can closely mimic human intelligence in a Q&A and you think 50 or so keystrokes per hour can easily be classified into bot or human behaviour? Seriously?
No game, from ANY developer has EVER been able to eliminate bots/RMT trade. To suggest that CCP is unable (or worse) don't even bother is ludicrous in the extreme.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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